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For People Fired For Being Gay, Old Court Case Becomes A New Tool

Nov 10, 2014
Originally published on November 11, 2014 11:30 am

Josh Kronberg-Rasner was the only openly gay person in his office while he worked for a food service company in Casper, Wyo. But his sexual orientation never held him back, he says. "I had filled every position from general manager to executive chef," he says. "You name it, I'd done all of it."

That changed in the summer of 2012 when Kronberg-Rasner got a new manager, whom Kronberg-Rasner says was uncomfortable working with a gay person. A few weeks after he arrived, the manager went through Kronberg-Rasner's personal phone and found pictures of a male gymnast.

Soon after that, the company laid Kronberg-Rasner off. He tried to file a discrimination complaint, but Wyoming is one of 29 states that don't ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The law in Wyoming hasn't changed since then, but Kronberg-Rasner might have a case today. That's because federal and state officials have been reinterpreting old laws to address employment discrimination against LGBT people. The approach relies on a legal argument originally designed to defend women accused of not being feminine enough.

Cherie Doak is deputy administrator with Wyoming's Labor Standards Department, which helps people like Kronberg-Rasner bring claims against employers. Before Kronberg-Rasner was fired, his former manager discussed the photos he found on Kronberg-Rasner's phone with a female employee who later told Kronberg-Rasner about it.

"The manager said to her, 'You know, he has this picture of a guy on his phone, and if you, as a woman, had this picture on your phone, it would have been OK. But Josh is a guy, and we can't have that,' " Kronberg-Rasner says.

In that conversation, says Doak, the manager "clearly ... is objecting to the individual's nonconformance with gender stereotypes, in that men should only like women, or only have pictures of women on their phone, and only women can have pictures of men on their phone."

The conversation, Doak says, is good evidence of what's known in court as "gender stereotyping." That's the tool that Doak and her counterparts across the country have recently begun using to help LGBT people in states without anti-discrimination laws that include sexual orientation. Doak says the approach works about half the time.

"If all the employer said was, 'We don't want gay people working here,' it's going to be way more difficult," she says. "It's a war of syntax, really."

This war dates back to a 1989 Supreme Court Case, Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins, in which a female manager was denied a partnership at her firm because she didn't wear the makeup and high heels her bosses wanted to see. The manager argued that was a form of sex discrimination outlawed by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Chris Kuczynski, an attorney with the Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, says "that is the case that said that sex discrimination can be shown by evidence of gender stereotyping."

Between that 1989 case and a couple of years ago, gender stereotyping was almost exclusively used in cases involving women. But more recently, Kuczynski says, the EEOC has started reinterpreting that case to say discrimination against LGBT people is a form of gender stereotyping.

"I don't want the impression to be left that we are creating or adding on," he says. "What we are doing is interpreting the statute consistent with well-established principles."

"The EEOC here is basically imposing an obligation, regardless of what Congress has said," says Rae Vann, general counsel for the Equal Employment Advisory Council, a group that helps businesses craft their workplace discrimination policies.

Vann says that those businesses spend a lot of time and money keeping their policies up to date with requirements. So when the EEOC says sex discrimination covers LGBT people — even though that hasn't been approved by Congress or the Supreme Court — it makes them nervous.

"We'd much prefer for Congress to say, 'In fact, this is what the law provides, prescribes, prohibits and so forth.' "

Last year, the U.S. Senate did pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, but the bill is stalled in the House.

In the meantime, the EEOC has helped more than 1,200 LGBT people bring employment discrimination claims since 2013.

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Transcript

ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

In many of the states where same-sex marriage is now legal, it is also legal to fire someone for being gay. But federal and state officials are trying to change that. As Miles Bryan of Wyoming Public Radio reports, they're using long-standing civil rights law.

MILES BRYAN, BYLINE: Josh Rasner was the only openly gay person in his office while he worked for a food service company in Casper, Wyoming. But he says that never held him back.

JOSH RASNER: I had filled every position from general manager to executive chef. You name it, I'd done all of it.

BRYAN: That changed in the summer of 2012, when Rasner got a new manager. A few weeks after he arrived, the manager went through Rasner's personal phone and found pictures of a male gymnast. The manager discussed the pictures with another female employee, who later told Rasner about it.

RASNER: The manager said to her, you know, he has this picture of a guy on his phone. And if you, as a woman, had this picture on your phone, it would've been OK. But Josh is a guy. That's just - we can't have that.

BRYAN: Pretty soon after that, Rasner was let go by the company. He tried to file a discrimination complaint. But Wyoming is one of 29 states that doesn't ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The laws haven't changed since then. But today, Rasner might have a case. And it's all because of the conversation between the manager and that female employee.

CHERIE DOAK: Clearly he is objecting to the individual's nonconformist with gender stereotypes in that men should only like women, or only have pictures of women on their phone, and only women can have pictures of men on their phone.

BRYAN: Cherie Doak works in Wyoming's labor standards department. She says that conversation is good evidence of what's known in court as gender stereotyping. That's the tool that Doak and her counterparts across the country have recently begun to use to help LGBT people in states without antidiscrimination laws that include sexual orientation. Doak says it works about half the time.

DOAK: If all the employer said was, we don't want gay people working here, it's going to be way more different. It's a war of syntax, really.

BRYAN: This war dates back to a 1989 Supreme Court case where a female lawyer was denied a promotion at her firm because she didn't wear the makeup and high heels her bosses wanted to see. She argued this was a form of sex discrimination outlawed by the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Chris Kuczynski is with the Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, or EEOC.

CHRIS KUCZYNSKI: That is the case that said that sex discrimination can be shown by evidence of gender stereotyping.

BRYAN: Between that 1989 case and a couple of years ago, gender stereotyping was almost exclusively used in cases involving women. But more recently, Kuczynski says the EEOC has started reinterpreting that case to say that discrimination against LGBT people is a form of gender stereotyping.

KUCZYNSKI: What we're doing is interpreting the statute consistent with well-established principles.

RAE VANN: The EEOC here is basically imposing an obligation, regardless of what Congress had said.

BRYAN: Rae Vann is with the Equal Employment Advisory Council, a group that helps businesses craft their workplace discrimination policies. She says that those businesses spent a lot of time and money keeping their policies up to date with what's required. So when the EEOC says sex discrimination covers LGBT people even though that hasn't been approved by Congress or the Supreme Court, it makes them nervous.

VANN: We'd much prefer for Congress to say, in fact, this is what the law provides, prescribes, prohibits and so forth.

BRYAN: Last year, the U.S. Senate did pass a bill that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. But the Employment Nondiscrimination Act is stalled in the House. In the meantime, the EEOC has aided over 1,200 LGBT people in bringing employment discrimination claims since 2013. For NPR News, I'm Miles Bryan in Laramie. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.